Muslims – MUST BE STOPPED FROM ENTERING THE U.S.A.
For those of you who are not familiar with AWD, “The Angry White Dude”, he is right on track and a wonderful writer. This is what he has to say about the Muslim invasion.
Islam, the religion of murder, is incompatible with American values. Muslim immigration must be stopped immediately. This includes legal immigrants, student and work visas, etc. One only look to Europe to see the negative effects that growing Muslim populations bring to western values and ways of life. In southern France, there are now more mosques than Christian churches! Schools serve Halal food (foods permissible under Islamic law), not just to Muslim children but also to Christians without their knowledge, while so many Muslims populate Norway’s prisons that the authorities gave up serving different foods and adopted an all-Halal diet for prisoners to keep the Muslims quiet. Public swimming pools now segregate men and women into different times of the day. In London, the Croydon Council adopted a Muslim-only swim time. Muslims have shown time and time again they have no tolerance for other cultures and demand unbending tolerance of theirs. Europe’s self-hating multi-culturism has allowed a foreign enemy to inhabit their lands, impose their will and will eventually restrict the natives under Muslim sharia law! Sharia law is already accepted in parts of England! The European media goes out of its way to not report Muslim criminals…calling them Asians! Europeans are now being out bred by Muslims by a wide margin. Estimates say Muslims will be the majority in Europe as soon as in 50 years! Imagine when sharia law becomes the legal standard in Europe…where will all the girly men French go? Will Islam allow pink burqas?
America must pay strict attention to what is happening in Europe. The politically correct media and elected officials who have pushed multi-culturism on us are leading Americans down the same disastrous path as Europe. A 2007 Pew poll found that only 28 percent Muslims thought of themselves as Americans first while 47 percent identified primarily as Muslims. Their loyalty lies abroad with the worldwide Muslim community, which sees itself as being victimized by the West. AWD has never understood why Muslims are allowed to enter the United States since 9/11. All the political correctness in the world will not lessen my memory of Muslims dancing in the streets of New Jersey when the towers fell in New York on 9/11.
Again, Islam is incompatible with freedom. America was founded on the principles of individuality and freedom. Islam seeks to destroy each of our founding principles and values. Islam seeks to dominate western culture and bring savagery tothe world. Merely look to any Islamic country and see how tolerant they are to Christians or Jews. Look how women are treated like animals and are allowed to be killed by family members in shameful “honor killings.” America must shed it’s reluctance to speak and act against Islam…the religion of murder. We only need to look to the disaster that Europe is becoming to see what could be in our future. I do not want to envision a future when my grand daughters will have to wear a burqa and will fight Islam in America at every step! I am staunchly for freedom of religion but Islam seeks to dominate the world. Islam is the enemy of civilized people!
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Testical 
Your article above is not only offensive but misleading – nowhere in England accepts the rule of sharia law! I’m from the UK and can state quite categorically that your statement was a lie!
As for your stating that 47% identified as Muslim first rather than Yank, then quite right. Who wouldn’t wish to identify themselves as belonging firstly to God, rather than to a nation based on hypocrisy?
You talk of freedom a great factor of which is democracy, yet your government has overthrown more democratically elected governments than any other in history – Grenada and Nicaragua for example! The USA only likes ‘freedom’ and democracy on its own terms. Most leading political scientists attest to the fact that the US is without doubt the most corrupt nation in the world, with Noam Chomsky even stating that Washington is the ‘centre of global state sponsored terrorism and has been for years’. And you worry about Muslim immigration and sharia? Get real!
You pledge allegiance to a flag for goodness sake – what does that actually say about the mentality of you people?
The fact that I pledge allegiance to the AMERICAN flag says quite a bit… Do you deny that Islam is a religion of hate? Do they tolerate others who do not feel the way they do? And the numbers are published so you might need to check into it moshesco…?
Yes, I do deny that Islam is a religion of hate. Islam in it’s truest form is the true religion of God and promotes, not only peace but equality and respect for all men as well.
It is true however that there are Muslims who preach hate, however this is a complete distortion of the faith and of the teachings of both the Qur’an and the Prophet (PBUH). This same distortion has been spoken against by many Muslim scholars, particularly Grand Ayatollah Sistani, Grand Ayatollah Saanei and believe it or not Grand Ayatollah Khamenei (May God grant them long life).
I could talk of how Christianity is a religion of hate and sectarianism, particulalry if I were to solely listen to the likes of people (principally the American right) such as Pastor Hagee and Pat Robertson, but because I have a mind of my own and seek to know the whole story and not listen to propaganda, it is plain to see that Christianity is built on a message of love. Perhaps if you actually conducted some research instead of being blindly led then you would note that the same is true of Islam, whether you care to admit it or not.
Finally, I am Muslim because my Lord called and commanded me to be one. I am British because I was born on these isles. To whom then should I owe most allegiance? God or Britain? I choose my Creator, where my eternal home is, not where my transitory home is. Most Muslims and indeed most true Christians would choose the same. That is why you have 47% saying they are Muslim first – God bless them for it.
Moshes
I’m glad you are here… I like to learn new things and debate to determine what is the truth… I do seek truth…
So lets seek the big question right off the bat… I agree with you that their are some Christian Preachers that take the Bible to the extreme and use it to try to justify thier judging of other people…
However! You don’t see People from The First Baptist Church flying airplans into heavily poplulated building like the World Trade Center in an attempt to criple a countries financial structure.
You don’t hear of people from The Assembly of God Church straping bombs on their kids and sending off to blow people up because they don’t believe as they do…
Explain this to me… And don’t just say that they are radicals either.. There have been many people who have also turned away from Islam that have come forth and said that the WHOLE religion does not tolerate people who do not believe as they do. In fact that by killing one you secure your place in heaven.
I don’t mean to sound like I am attacking you, I just want to understand.
BD,
The Qur’an asserts that those who are killed in the way of Allah (swt) i.e. those who die in a holy war, will earn a place in heaven. Now, as far as I know, not one of the Marjas (Grand Ayatollahs) have actually issued a fatwa stating that to be the case i.e. that we are in the middle of a holy war. Also, I should make it clear that I have never heard mention of the fact that, if you kill a non-believer then you will enter paradise. To me this is nothing more than fantasy and fallusy.
In relation to 9/11, people must differentiate between Islam and the majority of Muslims, and people such as Osama Bin Laden. Bin Laden, whilst being a Sunni Muslim follows an extreme branch of Islam called Qutbism – basically Islamic Nazism. This sect has a warped sense of Islam, akin to the way in which the Aryan Nation interprets Christianity! These people even look on other Muslims, particularly people like myself, who are Shia Muslims, as fair game also! Whilst you are all treated as ‘infidels’, we are treated as ‘apostates’ who warrant immediate death.
Stating that Islam does not tolerate other faiths is, I believe, untrue. The Qur’an teaches that Jews and Christians are to be respected and, indeed, given freedom of religion. Whilst this does not always happen in Muslim nations, that is not the religion’s doing but those who are in charge. Indeed, Grand Ayatollah Saanei released a fatwa, stating that ‘non-Muslims (if they obey a holy religion) are not najis (impure) and equally deserve to go to Paradise if they follow their religion sincerely’.
Now, to me, the above two points do not show a religion that is opposed to everyone who does not agree with it’s point of view.
Also, people leaving Islam and stating that it doesn’t tolerate others is nothing new and I don’t just mean within Islam. Growing up in the west coast of Scotland bigotry and sectarianism surrounds me, particualry a deep seated Protestant hate of all things Catholic. Infact, I do know of those who have left the Protestant faith and by extension Christianity because they see it solely in terms of wanting to ‘exterminate’ the Catholics. Which as we know, is not what Christianity is about. And it is unfortunate, and sad even that these people have grown up amongst those who do not have a proper grasp of their faith; looking on it as an excuse to hate others rather than using it as a way to get closer to God.
Moshes,
Very well said and written…
So tell me when you converted, why did you choose the religion that you did instead of one a little closer to the one in which you were raised but with a belief system that was closer to your own?
BD,
Slow down – who said anything about me converting?
It’s a bit of a large presumption you are making; namely that I am a revert simply because I am from the UK. There are literally thousands of home grown British ‘born-and-bred’ Muslims, of which I am proud to be one. In saying that, I truly believe that if I wasn’t born Muslim then I would have converted. As the beauty of the Qur’an and the lives of the Prophet (PBUH) and the Imams (AS) is such that one who committed themselves to research with an open mind couldn’t fail but want to follow them and devote their life to them.
Wassalaamu Alaykum,
Hussein
Here is one of thousands I found on Google about Sharia law in the UK. I stand by my words…Islam is the religion of murder! Moshe, you might try a quick visit to http://www.religionofpeace.com.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1535478/Sharia-law-is-spreading-as-authority-wanes.html
AWD
Thanks, AWD… From the link it says:
Mr Yusuf told the programme he felt more bound by the traditional law of his birth than by the laws of his adopted country. “Us Somalis, wherever we are in the world, we have our own law,” he said. “It’s not sharia, it’s not religious — it’s just a cultural thing.”
I can understand wanting to hang on to your religion if you move to a different country, but my God! If you are going to keep your own “cultural thing” why move in the first place.
If these people do not want to conform to the governing laws in the area where they live they need to go back to where their “cultural thing” is the law….
That’s not adopting a country, that is invading it….
Why would an established community change to meet the wants of a few against the needs of the many? The few need to change to a suite the many!
That sounds like what is going on in America… The mass majority of the country is being expected to change to suite the wishes of a minority that “supposedly” only makes up 12% of the total population.
AWD/BD
Firstly, the website ‘religion of peace’, although I didn’t look in depth at it, the sections that I did look at didn’t cause me any concern, so why you are using it to attest to the fact that Islam is a ‘religion of murder’!? And whilst we are on that topic, you might like to try and get this into your head – religion doesn’t murder people, people murder people. That’s like me saying that guns kill people! They do not, it is the person pulling the trigger that does the killing. I am sure that is something that we can at least both agree on.
As to the article: your post stated that ‘sharia law is already accepted in parts of England’ – the article doesn’t say that. The article speaks of Somalis using ‘unofficial’, and as such non-binding and non-legal Courts to settle disputes within their community. And, as Mr Yusuf points out it is not sharia, it is a ‘cultural thing’. Therefore, not only was this part of your post misleading but also the article headline itelf.
Secondly, you must also look at who wrote the article and the paper in which it was published. Joshua Rosenburg, whilst a respected journalist has never been anything but anti-Islam, the same can be said of the Telegraph. To put it simply, it would be like asking the KKK for advice on how to bring up black children.
BD you are right when you talk of another people moving to another country and not willing to confirm to that nation and its rules as being unacceptable – I don’t even believe the majority of Muslims would disagree with you. However, the majority of Somalis in my country are there as illegal immigrants and asylum seekers and as such would, in my opinion, set up unofficial ‘Courts’ as their way of staying out the system for fear of deportation.
AWD, to finish I would suggest that before you make accusations against another religion one should THOROUGHLY research the religion instead of listening to right wing propaganda or looking at the actions of the minority. Would you want all white people to be judged simply on the actions of the KKK? Would you want all Americans to be judged on the actions of Timothy Mcveigh? Uninformed prejudice breeds fanaticism and extremism, two traits in looking at your post anbd your previous comment I have noticed in yourself.
Moshes,
First the comparison of guns and religion is not a good one… No guns don’t kill people people kill people… True. However a gun is a tool, like a shovel or a hammer..
To religion, however, people are the tool. Religion is your way to enlightenment, and all religions teach that the stronger you believe the more closely you will follow their teachings. So, if their teaching are to destroy infidels then that is what you are compelled to do. The more you believe and the harder you try to please your god the more infidels you will try to destroy….
So, it is a very dangerous thing to have a religion that teaches people to kill to prove your worth or that it may get you into heaven.
You were talking about the illegals immigrants and the asylum seekers. If these people are willing to enter a country illegaly or trying to seek asylum because things are so bad where they come from wouldn’t that mean 1. that they feel where they are going is a better place? and 2. wouldn’t they automatically want to follow the laws of their new environment seeing how the one they just left is so bad?
I mean you might be right about the immigrants and the assylum seekers. We have the same problem here in the U.S.. The very fact that they are here illegaly means they have no respect for our law because they had no right to enter here or in the UK in the first place… They are breaking the law just by being there. They need to be rounded up and either sent back to their own country or be restrained within camps and not allowed to roam freely within the boarders of the country they have invaded.
Sorry, didn’t have time to use spell check.. Busy day today.
To any who believe that Islam is not a religion of hate, I offer this challenge:
I will go into a Christian gathering of your choice wearing an anti-Christian t-shirt of your choice if you go into Mulsim gathering of my choice wearing an anti-Muslim t-shirt of my choice.
BD,
As a Muslim what I am trying to get across is that Islam doesn’t teach that if you ‘kill an infidel’ you will go to paradise – and anyone who says it does is trying to disseminate misinformation in the hope of breeding hatred and emnity.
Wank or whatever your name is,
Your comment is idiot in the extreme. I know loads of Christians who would not hesitate in throwing you out of their gethering if you walked in wearing an anti-Christian t-shirt, some may even give you a ‘Glesga kiss’ if you were unlucky – And that is a fact. I think anyone who had respect for their religion would do the same.
Throw you out for wearing an anti-Christian t-shirt? Who is talking about throwing anyone out? That would be a perfectly reasonable response to take against someone being disrespectful in such a fashion.
Are you living in such a fantasy world as to think that you would escape with anything more merciful than being burned to death if you go into the middle of an frenzied Islamic mob wearing the t-shirt I would put you in?
Someone, from either side, tell me why it is that people of faith are the angriest people on the planet? I don’t believe that the Muslim religion teaches hate and death any more than the Christian religion does. Take a look at the killings in our own country done in the name of God. Dr. Tiller comes to mind. Some good Christian man decided that Tiller was a murderer (even though what he was doing was lawful) and that God needed some help to stop him. How many atheists do you see killing preachers because they disagree with them?? How many scientists are arrested for killing those who don’t believe in global warming?
Muslims and Christians are more like-minded than you’d care to admit. A holy war, a jihad, slaughter on whatever scale in the name of God is done by extremeists. The only difference between Christian nuts and Al Quaeda is roughly about 8000 miles…
“How many atheists do you see killing preachers because they disagree with them??”
It happens all the time. Here is one example: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090724/ap_on_re_as/as_nkorea_christian_executed
Nice try, but that woman was executed by a communist country for breaking the law, distributing Bibles in a country where they are not allowed — not by a whack job or a group of reved up religious zealots. I suppose we should declare war on them for outlawing the Bible?? Spread democracy AND religion, two birds with one shot…
Next example?
BTW, Moshes, AWD doesn’t research anything, and he IS the right wing propaganda hate machine and likely a card carrying member of the KKK. If you don’t believe me, go to his site and drop a few posts. Be polite, but disagree with him — he’ll block you like he did me. You can’t reason with people who refuse to deal in facts. AWD is willfully ignorant and will remain that way. Period.
“Nice try, but that woman was executed by a communist country for breaking the law, distributing Bibles in a country where they are not allowed — not by a whack job or a group of reved up religious zealots.”
You are missing the point.
Whack jobs and religious zealots, have existed as long as history, and will continue to exist until a cure for these mental illnesses are discovered.
No one is advocating that any group is immune to these distructive indivuals. Nor do I think it productive to attempt identify them as any source of global unrest or violence.
Instead, it is ORGANIZED violence and terror, which is either sponsored or sanctioned by religious or political entities which is the most distructive and dangerous.
So, North Korea executing people for attempting to practice Christianity, and leaders of Islam encouraging riots and murder against people who draw certain cartoons are similar. And, they are dispicable actions which have no modern-day equivalent in Christianity.
Trickybusiness,
Thanks for helping to put a balanced view across.
Wask,
Ulster in the UK – for years two communities engaged in, for all intents and purposes, civil war. Why? Because one side was Protestant and loyal to the Crown and the other was Catholic and wanted a United Ireland. Both Christian communities killing innocent men, women and children on an almost daily basis – still think Christianity is not tarnished with this kind of thing?
Also as a sub note – the IRA, a terrorist organisation in the UK (America’s supposed ally) was mostly if not wholly funded by Americans particularly in the Boston and New York areas – what did your government do to stop all the political fundraisers, etc? Absolutely nothing – even when the British government asked that Gerry Adams, leader of Sinn Fein, the political wing of the IRA, be refused a visa to enter the US, it was rejected. This is why most people in the UK believe America’s commitment to fighting terrorism is nothing more than bullshite! The words of your government in no way match its actions in recent history.
I know the above was a bit of a digression from the topic at hand, but it’s something that never gets acknowledged in the American media.
Wask, I believe it is you who is missing the point. This topic is about religion, not politics. A country based on any particular religious belief (a theocracy) is still political in nature. The North Korean woman in the article you cited was killed for breaking a law of her country (an action), not for believing as she did. If you want to discuss politics, we may have to start another thread.
While moshes has experiences and knowledge far beyond what I’m able to understand, I do believe her when she says the basic premise of Islam is NOT to murder those who do not believe as they do. This also is not the foundation of Christianity, although you can find those who feel justified in killing so long as it’s in the name of God. In both cases, the actions are taken by extremeists — persons who feel what they are doing is right but are woefully misguided, whether deliberate or otherwise. That’s why I say the two are closer than you’d care to admit. They’re closer in another way as well, however. Believers who “get” that God is not about hate and killing and murder can peacefully cohabitate and find common ground, despite the particulars of their religion. I’d venture to guess that moshes and I could sit down and discuss our beliefs and find much in common.
AWD and others, however, are content and even relish hating anyone who is different from themselves — blacks, muslims, homosexuals — you name it. I have no idea if he considers himself a Christian, but he does consider himself to be a patriot and proud citizen of the US — a country founded on personal freedoms, of all things. How hypocritical is that? If you are of his ilk, just say so and I’ll stop wasting my words on you.
Trickeybusiness,
Great post – and you also made me laugh – Moshe, being myself, is/am male! Hence my real name of Hussein. But, I’m cool with it, since you seem to be the only person who is getting the point I’m trying to make re Islam does not tell its followers to go out and kill!!
So sorry, Moshes! I actually thought about that before I said “she” but I thought I’d read where someone else had referred to you as a female. My bad… See how easy it is to make an incorrect assumption? Don’t you wish others could understand that? I know I do, but you’ll pardon me if I don’t hold my breath waiting for it…
Trickeybusiness, you are a liar! AWD has never banned anyone at his site! Never! You have no arguments so got your little feelings hurt when all you can do is call names and get your little metrosexual ass kicked by logic! Gee, AWD is probably a member of the KKK! How original! You quit posting at AWD because you are an intellectual lightweight. You are more than welcome to post any time at AWD. Maybe you’ll learn something.
AWD
You say I’m not banned, but ANY reply I’ve tried to post has brought up a screen saying you won’t allow “spam” — and I used no foul language, no lengthy post, no inflammatory language, nothing that could remotely be considered spam. That’s banned, whatever semantics you choose to use.
And as for me being an intellectual “lightweight” — that’s hillarious coming from you! There’s nothing intellectual, lightweight or otherwise, about your site. Google yourself and you’ll see you’ve been flagged as a hate site. Even your name says it all. I see you didn’t deny being a member of the KKK, and whether or not you pay dues to that actual group, it’s clear you’re a white supremist.
So, what is it you think I could learn from a hate-mongering, white supremist? Logic, you say? People who regularly post on your site refuse to deal in facts or reason, therefore have no logic. Is is any wonder I couldn’t “win” an arguement there? And name calling? I didn’t call you anything that you aren’t. You and your group are a bunch of disgruntled, small-minded, angry bigots, racists, and homophobes. Do you dispute that? If so, bring on some of that logic you talk about.
AWD,
You call Trickeybusiness a liar?! You are the one continually posting LIES about a religion that you clearly know nothing about. It wouldn’t surprise me if you were in the KKK, noting all of the xenophobic, bigoted and scurrilous remarks you make.
As for your blog – intellectual? Classic! You are now second person to make me laugh on these comments.
I’m even going to have to chime in on this one…. Not just because AWD is my idol but because he expresses the concerns of many “white” males in America…
As Tricky knows, I have personally witnessed white males being terminated because they are white and Blacks and especially females may take their place in order to fill some diversified quota.
This trend continues in all things in America. Yes, America is supposed to be about equally welcoming all races, sexes and religions and treating them equally, unless your are white!
I am NOT a member of the KKK… But I do know that when white men loose jobs so that people of another sex, race or religion can have them is wrong!
That’s not so hard to understand… But when white men complain it’s not considered to be discrimination. It is then viewed as “reverse” discrimination. I personally don’t see the difference.
Discrimination is discrimination. Racism is racism. There is no reverse. Labeling something as reverse is just another way of saying “its not equal”… And that’s Bull Shit!
Just the fact that Christmas stamps are being pulled off the shelf because it is seen as discriminatory because it is a Christian Holiday deplicting Jesus while Muslim stamps are being promoted is just one example…………
Obama which YOU put in office, is trying to take away the publics right to own and bare arms… It is not in the constitution so people can go hunting! It is there incase the government gets so out of hand that “We The People” need to take it back.
Yes, it may be bloody… But it will be a lot better than the alternative….
“I am NOT a member of the KKK… But I do know that when white men loose jobs so that people of another sex, race or religion can have them is wrong!”
Seriously, quit your bitching and join the military, then complain your CO or supervisor is someone other than a white male. Were are all people, period. If you don like how your company hires or promotes you have the right to take what you find that is wrong to court, or you could man up and get a different job.
As a vet who has served in Afghanistan Islam is no different than christianity. Neither are the sociopathic leaders who take the name of Their religion to an far extreme.
Quit your hate speech and learn to respect other cultures, values, and religions.
You dana are an idiot! I don’t have a problem being supervised by someone of another race..
I really think you missed the whole point.. If you have two people of ANY race. And the one who is passed over for promotion or for employment, although he or she may be more qualified, because they are not of a certian race? You don’t see anything wrong with that?
In America, you are supposed to be rewarded for your hard work. You are not supposed to be rewarded just because you happen to be born into a certian race…
If you are a black man and you are more qualified for a poition, by all means, that man should have the job. If that black man was overlooked or denied a job because he was black, that would be wrong!
The opposite should also be true. But for some reason, when it happens to a white man is overlooked for a job or a position and he speaks up about it, he is being racist.
This is a double standard that is running very deep in America and it is going to be a very large contributing factor to our downfall. Accepting lesser qualified people in positions because of the color of their skin rather than the content of their character and their hard work hurts us all. A CHAIN IS ONLY AS STRONG AS IT WEAKEST LINK.
I’m just so suprised by the lack of people who are willing to stand up for this. We all understand it. However, the people who it is hurting are too afraid to speak up for fear of being called a racist.
BD, you and I go back a ways although we’ve never met. We’ve had lively discussions that devolved into fights and name calling but were always able to come back to center in the end. The fact that you say you hold AWD up as your “idol” is not surprising but rather disappointing. One should never strive to be the lowest he can be, and the narrow-mindedness of those on his site are just that — the willingly ignorant lowest form of the white race you (and he) profess to be the best and brightest on the planet.
His group is actually driven on fear (which is closely related to hate). Remember when I had to tell you to pull your over-sized head out of your frightened little ass?? His group needs to do the same. Things we don’t understand scare us, like things that go bump in the night. You can chose to crawl under the covers and shake, or you can get up and try to discover what’s making the sound. If it’s someone breaking into your house, you can act on it. If it’s just your pet cat, you can rest easy. The point is that you have to try to learn something about what it is that you fear or hate.
If you and he put all the energy you now spend looking for someone to blame for your misfortunes (which everyone has) into sincere attempts to solve the problem, rather than finding others with similar stories with whom to comiserate, you could start (or at least help) a movement to make this country great again. What a waste of tears, all those soggy shoulders, and not a damn thing solved — except to make yourselves feel better to be in like company. How do you not see that as being selfish and ignorant? Hey, shit happens — get over it.
And Obama is going to take away our guns?? Oh gosh, you’ve just GOT to stop listening to the right-wing spin maching on “Fixed Noise” — either that or get a bigger tin-foil hat. Here’s the deal: There was a ban on assault rifles which recently expired, and they want to put it back in place. You never even realized they were banned, so this isn’t even your fight. I hope they DO reinstate it. Why do you or any other citizen need an AK47?? Not for hunting, not for protection — the only use for them outside the military is to either shoot up people in the streets or to sell to Mexico in exchange for drugs. Educate yourself on the facts before you jump on board someone else’s bandwagon…